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		By: Phil Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2022 08:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/when-if-future-time-adverb-clauses/#comment-30817&quot;&gt;Maryam&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Maryam,

Very good question to which I&#039;d have to start by saying it&#039;s not strictly grammatical – essentially the meaning of that conditional would be more accurately written as &quot;if you teach him to make his own, you will have helped him&quot;, which is a variation on a first conditional future possibility. This is very much a matter of style in this example; it emphasises the result by making it sound like a real possibility, whereas &quot;if you teach him, you will help him&quot; sounds more like an abstract rule. By using both the future and the perfect, the writer makes it sound like the general truth has a real result. It&#039;s a very interesting example which you probably wouldn&#039;t find used too commonly, and you probably wouldn&#039;t find it in many grammar guides (if any, I do wonder!) - but I don&#039;t think anyone would necessarily say there&#039;s anything wrong with it.

The conditionals overall can be a little flexible like this, it&#039;s part of what makes them rather difficult to master. As with a lot in English, I suppose the basic rules are a bit of a starting point.

Phil]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/when-if-future-time-adverb-clauses/#comment-30817" data-wpel-link="internal">Maryam</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Maryam,</p>
<p>Very good question to which I&#8217;d have to start by saying it&#8217;s not strictly grammatical – essentially the meaning of that conditional would be more accurately written as &#8220;if you teach him to make his own, you will have helped him&#8221;, which is a variation on a first conditional future possibility. This is very much a matter of style in this example; it emphasises the result by making it sound like a real possibility, whereas &#8220;if you teach him, you will help him&#8221; sounds more like an abstract rule. By using both the future and the perfect, the writer makes it sound like the general truth has a real result. It&#8217;s a very interesting example which you probably wouldn&#8217;t find used too commonly, and you probably wouldn&#8217;t find it in many grammar guides (if any, I do wonder!) &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think anyone would necessarily say there&#8217;s anything wrong with it.</p>
<p>The conditionals overall can be a little flexible like this, it&#8217;s part of what makes them rather difficult to master. As with a lot in English, I suppose the basic rules are a bit of a starting point.</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		By: Maryam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2022 04:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sir we use  If + any present form  to describe general truth  and facts .

If Present simple + present simple 

If Present progressive + present progressive 

If Present perfect + present perfect.

But while reading I found this  pattern of conditional sentence .

Present simple + present perfect 

Here is example: 
Give a mam fish ,  as the saying goes ,and you are helping him little bit for a very short time ;teach  him the art of fishing , and he can help himself  all his life .
Further ,If you teach him to make his own fishing net, You have helped him to become not only self -supporting but also self- reliant and independent man and businessman.
 Could you explain why writer has used 
 this unusual Patten.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir we use  If + any present form  to describe general truth  and facts .</p>
<p>If Present simple + present simple </p>
<p>If Present progressive + present progressive </p>
<p>If Present perfect + present perfect.</p>
<p>But while reading I found this  pattern of conditional sentence .</p>
<p>Present simple + present perfect </p>
<p>Here is example:<br />
Give a mam fish ,  as the saying goes ,and you are helping him little bit for a very short time ;teach  him the art of fishing , and he can help himself  all his life .<br />
Further ,If you teach him to make his own fishing net, You have helped him to become not only self -supporting but also self- reliant and independent man and businessman.<br />
 Could you explain why writer has used<br />
 this unusual Patten.</p>
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		By: Phil Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/when-if-future-time-adverb-clauses/#comment-29457&quot;&gt;Kaoru Masui&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Kaoru,
You are correct, generally the simple tense would be appropriate here, as for a future time clause we&#039;re mostly interested in indicated the time itself, and a simple tense is enough. The present perfect is possible, too, though - again it emphasises the action&#039;s completion, so it&#039;s useful to draw attention to the completion of the action or a determination to do it. In your example, &quot;as soon as I get home&quot; would tell us that is when I will call, but &quot;as soon as I have got home&quot; emphasises that there is a process involved in getting home, perhaps as a reminder that you must complete that journey first.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/when-if-future-time-adverb-clauses/#comment-29457" data-wpel-link="internal">Kaoru Masui</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Kaoru,<br />
You are correct, generally the simple tense would be appropriate here, as for a future time clause we&#8217;re mostly interested in indicated the time itself, and a simple tense is enough. The present perfect is possible, too, though &#8211; again it emphasises the action&#8217;s completion, so it&#8217;s useful to draw attention to the completion of the action or a determination to do it. In your example, &#8220;as soon as I get home&#8221; would tell us that is when I will call, but &#8220;as soon as I have got home&#8221; emphasises that there is a process involved in getting home, perhaps as a reminder that you must complete that journey first.</p>
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		By: Kaoru Masui		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 07:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am from Japan. I am always worried about rules of tense. Thank you for your instruction on the usage of the simple present tense and the present perfect tense of time clauses. Both are same, but the present perfect puts more emphasis on the action being completed. I&#039;ve got it. But the present perfect tense with an &quot;as sson as adverb clause&quot; seems starnge to me. &quot;I will phone you as soon as I have got home.&quot; I think present perfect is not suitable on this case. I would appreciate it if you would instruct me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from Japan. I am always worried about rules of tense. Thank you for your instruction on the usage of the simple present tense and the present perfect tense of time clauses. Both are same, but the present perfect puts more emphasis on the action being completed. I&#8217;ve got it. But the present perfect tense with an &#8220;as sson as adverb clause&#8221; seems starnge to me. &#8220;I will phone you as soon as I have got home.&#8221; I think present perfect is not suitable on this case. I would appreciate it if you would instruct me.</p>
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		By: Phil Williams		</title>
		<link>https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/when-if-future-time-adverb-clauses/#comment-29041</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 08:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/when-if-future-time-adverb-clauses/#comment-29040&quot;&gt;Edward&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Edward, &#039;when&#039; is usually used to define a specific point in time when an action/event is realised, so even for a future time we use the present simple. &quot;When he gets here, the meeting will start.&quot; - not &quot;When he will get here&quot; - because we are defining the point in time when that action is true, not looking at it conditionally (i.e. if it will happen).

To describe defined times, then, we don&#039;t really use &#039;when&#039; and &#039;will&#039; together; but the exception is that we *do* combine them for if that time is unknown/uncertain: &quot;I don&#039;t know when the package will arrive.&quot; &quot;She is unsure when the dinner will be ready.&quot; (as here the present simple &#039;when the package arrives&#039; would suggest a defining time).

I hope this makes sense?

Phil]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/when-if-future-time-adverb-clauses/#comment-29040" data-wpel-link="internal">Edward</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Edward, &#8216;when&#8217; is usually used to define a specific point in time when an action/event is realised, so even for a future time we use the present simple. &#8220;When he gets here, the meeting will start.&#8221; &#8211; not &#8220;When he will get here&#8221; &#8211; because we are defining the point in time when that action is true, not looking at it conditionally (i.e. if it will happen).</p>
<p>To describe defined times, then, we don&#8217;t really use &#8216;when&#8217; and &#8216;will&#8217; together; but the exception is that we *do* combine them for if that time is unknown/uncertain: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know when the package will arrive.&#8221; &#8220;She is unsure when the dinner will be ready.&#8221; (as here the present simple &#8216;when the package arrives&#8217; would suggest a defining time).</p>
<p>I hope this makes sense?</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 08:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phil, can you tell me about using WHEN with future tense- there is a situation when we use WHEN with WILL?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, can you tell me about using WHEN with future tense- there is a situation when we use WHEN with WILL?</p>
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		By: Phil Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/when-if-future-time-adverb-clauses/#comment-28740&quot;&gt;SH Kang&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re welcome, I&#039;m glad it helped!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/when-if-future-time-adverb-clauses/#comment-28740" data-wpel-link="internal">SH Kang</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome, I&#8217;m glad it helped!</p>
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		By: SH Kang		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2019 13:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the lesson! It was very helpful for me to understand how to use the tense in the when/if adverb clauses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the lesson! It was very helpful for me to understand how to use the tense in the when/if adverb clauses.</p>
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